From: Paul
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 23:38:39 +0100
Subject: [TSSP] More result comparisons in
Results on: BIG LTR Coil No toroid http://63.225.104.218/test/TeslaCoils/MyCoils/BigCoil/BigCoil.htm More results from Terry Fritz for his big coil, same setup as reported yesterday, except without the toroid this time, makes for an interesting comparison of the two. Using the measured in-situ inductance, 74.1mH, Measured Model Error 148.37 152.4 +2.7% 353.40 359.2 +1.6% 513.84 515.7 +0.4% A little on the high side, as with the two other sets of readings on coils without toroids. A trend showing up here. Input impedance (fiddle factor W set at 1.0): Measured Model Error f1 784 ohms 320 ohms -59% and the Q factor predicted is around 70. Was predicted 57 with toroid fitted. Compare the input impedance with toroid, to that without: Measured Model Error f1 408 ohms 368 ohms -10% With toroid. f1 784 ohms 321 ohms -59% Without toroid. The rise in f1 input impedance of almost a factor of two when the toroid is fitted is very similar to that seen in my own coils, which confirms there is something drastically wrong with the series resistance estimation. Its such a gross error that I feel there's a major silly bug in the code - I'm looking into it. Terry has offered to measure the Q factors for these two configurations so that will make a total of 7 assorted Zin and Q measurements on 3 coils which will need to be simultaneously satisfied by any fix to the Rs estimate. That should be enough to work with. Discrepancies: More glitches in the external cap matrix, laplace solver problem. The program calculates Medhurst C to be 15.3pF, and Medhurst tables give 15.6pF. Once again Medhurst tables work fine when no toroid is fitted. Note that 12pF of the Medhurst 15.3pF comes from external cap, only 3.3pF from the internal capacitance. A set of measurements on a coil suspended well off the ground would help to clarify this. Data: See http://www.abelian.demon.co.uk/tssp-data/tfltr/ Files are (in CSV format for Terry running windows): tfltr.internal-caps.csv: internal caps matrix, pF, 32 segments tfltr.external-caps.csv: external caps matrix, pF, 32 segments tfltr.vi152400.csv: VI records at f1. tfltr.vi152400.gif: VI plot at f1. General info: simulator version: v0.2d, 28th August 2000 system: tfltr LCR Sections 1000, Capacitance segments 32 Coil turns: 1000, resistance: 69.87 Coil radius: 0.130, length: 0.762 Conductor radius: 0.255 mm Spacing ratio: 0.670 Top loading capacitance: 0.10pF Weighted internal toroid cap to coil: 0.00pF Weighted external coil cap to gnd: 12.04pF Weighted internal coil cap: 3.29pF Medhurst C should be: 15.33pF Standard Ln: 1.075uH Quoted inductance: 74.10mH Lundin inductance: 76.45mH using quoted inductance chose sigma for Mpt: 1345.91 mid coil turn: 79.86uH end coil turn: 41.10uH -- Paul Nicholson, Manchester, UK. --
Maintainer Paul Nicholson, paul@abelian.demon.co.uk.