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From: "Terrell W. Fritz"
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:15:31 -0600
Subject: Re: [TSSP] Mystery of the missing loss

Hi Paul,

I patched up the ground plane.  It is now solid and NON-SPLIT again.

I decided to violate the "pristine" ground plane area and get right on in
there with some equipment to see what was what.  So with a load of
equipment and wires in there the numbers shifted but I was able to get some
Q data with a "rough" ground plane.

Bare Coil
f1 = 148.3kHz  Q = 57.7
f3 = 347.87kHz  Q = 33.3
f5 = 513.76kHz  Q = 20.3

45 inch Torroid
f1 = 97.93kHz  Q = 80.9
f3 = 322kHz  Q = 36.6
f5 = 491.2kHz  Q = 23.8

Then I tried to measure the coils AC resistance with a 41pF fixed super
high Q ATC ceramic cap in series with the coil, generator, and a 50 ohm RF
resistor.  Even though the Q of the ceramic cap is "so high it can't be
measured", the Q of the circuit was only 14.1!  I played with it awhile and
discovered that if I put the coil up on a plastic bucket, the Q shot up to 75!

I was powering the coil upside down so the high voltage end would have been
near the ground plane.  That probably had a big effect.  But I was thinking
the fixed cap would pretty much keep the fields in check.

So I am know wondering if the very close ground plan is have a
"devastating" effect on the coil's Q.  I was thinking of looking at the Q
with the coil and terminal on the bucket about a foot away from the plan
and seeing what happens.  This is yet to be done but it appears to be in
important thing to look at...

For reference, two pictures of the "mess" are at:

http://63.225.104.218/test/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/P9010007.jpg
http://63.225.104.218/test/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/P9010009.jpg

BTW - This site was down for the last 48 hours but should be fixed now.

Cheers,

	Terry




Maintainer Paul Nicholson, paul@abelian.demon.co.uk.