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From: "Terrell W. Fritz"
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:52:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [TSSP] Low Q Values

All,

So the consensus sounds like my Q measurements have something wrong. :-|
I used a low Z signal generator based off Malcolm's so that should be ok.
I will play around and see if I can find to source of the error.  I have
removed the plane now but I can also try taking it out side.  I will review
my measurement techniques too to be sure I have not made some basic error...

Cheers,

	Terry


At 01:02 PM 9/5/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings All:
>
>        I am new to the list so please excuse this if it has already been
>discussed.
>        I see Q values being reported in the 20-100 range for conventional
>tesla secondaries and do not agree with this finding.  I expect to see
>values in the 200-350 range for typical tesla coil secondaries, based on my
>experience.  
>        Some years ago Malcolm Watts conducted a series of careful, detailed
>measurements on close-wound and space-wound coils, examining the effect of
>toploads, H/D and winding spacing on coil Q.  Most of his results were in
>the Q=200-350 range.   He did his tests in a large empty classroom with the
>coils well separated from metal objects.  As I recall, he built a low
>impedance amplifier (emitter follower) for his signal generator to take the
>signal generator out of the picture.
>        I can see changes in the input impedance (mostly phase changes)
>simply by waving my arm six feet away from a base-fed coi connected to my
>vector impedance meterl.   I think the Q measurements are being swamped by
>the nearby ground planes and are not indicative of the coil Q  (but perhaps
>are indicative of the system Q).  The coupling between the coil and ground
>plane is probably more capacitive than inductive, since mutual inductance
>falls off quickly with distance and is small if the coil is raised at least
>two coil diameters above the ground plane.  Capacitive effects are not so
>easily sorted out, however.
>        My modelling of proximity effects predict Terry Fritz's large coil
>to have a Q of 305 unloaded, and 204 with an operating frequency of 97 kHz
>(about what one would expect from a 45 inch toroidal topload).  This is
>based on an effective resistance of 228 ohms for the unloaded coil and 226
>ohms for the toploaded coil (drops slightly due to lowered operating
>frequency).  The expected DC resistance of the wire is about  70 ohms,
>yielding a ratio of (Rskin+Rproximity)/Rdc of 3.25, which is similar to what
>was reported by Medhurst years ago for a 3:1 coil.
>        Lots to ponder here.
>Regards,
>Mark S. Rzeszotarski, Ph.D., MetroHealth Medical Center,Radiology
>Department, Cleveland OH 44109-1998
>


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