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From: Paul
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:47:00 +0100
Subject: [TSSP] Surprising secondary voltage profiles

I've been looking at the voltage profiles which Terry measured
for his big coil, which I found at

Bare coil, http://users.better.org/tfritz/VoltDistBare.jpg
Toploaded, http://users.better.org/tfritz/VoltDist.jpg

and I've been trying to reconcile them with the simulated profile
of the same coil from the tsim program, which I've placed in.

Bare coil, http://www.abelian.demon.co.uk/tssp-data/tfltr.vi152400.gif
Toploaded, http://www.abelian.demon.co.uk/tssp-data/tfltr45.vi97360.gif

There's a substantial qualitative difference which I'm unable to
account for.  The measurements are generally concave in slope whereas
the simulated profiles are convex.

Terry, I'm not sure whether the system in which you measured the
profiles above was in the same configuration as the one described in
the results which you sent for simulation, but I'm supposing that its
not too different and that we can at least make a qualitative
comparison.

However, something more worrying - I'm puzzled by the concave V profile
measured.

If position up the coil is x then the incremental voltage increase
dV on moving from x to x + dx has to be

  dV = w L I(x) dx

where L is the effective self inductance per unit length, which we
can surely assume reasonably constant. Now I'm wondering how the concave
voltage profile can be obtained without assuming a rising current
profile
over the top 50% of the coil.  In other words, a V rising steeper than
linear, must have an increasing dV/dx with x and therefore an I(x) which
increases with height!

This increase of I(x) with height x would seem unlikely since the
external capacitance is diminishing over the region in question.

The upshot is, if we accept these measurements at face value, we have to
explain quite an extraordinary current profile. Even a uniform I(x)
would
only give a linearly rising V(x). To achieve the concave V(x) you would
need a positive dI(x)/dx

I'm fishing now for alternative's.

Could the presence of the V probe have added sufficient capacitance?
No amount of additional C can make the current rise with height
without it changing the resonant mode to that of a half wave between
two shorted ends.

Perhaps the V-probe is responding proportional to V^2 instead - were you
on the knee of a diode rectifier?

The latter is my preferred option, as it fixes the profile to a suitably
more linear-ish rise. Any suggestions?

Regards,
--
Paul Nicholson,
Manchester, UK.
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Maintainer Paul Nicholson, paul@abelian.demon.co.uk.