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From: "Malcolm Watts"
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:09:59 +1300
Subject: Re: [TSSP] NSVPI - Latter Results

Hi Terry,
          Here is something to ponder:

On 21 Oct 00, at 21:40, Terrell W. Fritz wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> All the data is in, and my new probe seems to be totally successful!!!
> 
> Some details...
> 
> I found that the windings on my space wound coil are imperfect a bit. 
> Some sections had more or less turns than others.  The windings
> loosened during a dry spell once and the winder is not perfect.  This
> caused a little jumping in the numbers.  I was worried that it was the
> probe but the numbers repeat extremely well so I blame the windings
> not being the exact same number in every section.
> 
> As seen in the photos, the coil is on a rather quickly made ground
> plane. It is split so as to avoid the shorted turn effect.
> 
> I measured the Q of my coil using the Q=Fo/BW formula and based that
> on the measured RMS input current.  The Q was 59.25  (146.34 /
> (147.61-145.14)).
> 
> With an input voltage of 0.6606 RMS, I would expect the top voltage to
> be: 0.6606 x 1.414 x 59.25 = 55.35 volts.
> 
> The sum I measured is 69.72 volts.  

Guess what: your sum = 4/PI * 55.35V  more-or-less. By an 
interesting coincidence, VSWR = 4/PI * Q.

I Haven't looked at the graphs and pictures yet but I'm 
guessing there is no topload on that resonator.

Regards,
Malcolm
 
> Now for the exciting data!
> 
> The profile is pictured at:
> http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/TheProfile.
> gif
> 
> The excel file is at:
> http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/Profiler.xl
> s
> 
> The same data in text format is at:
> http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/ProfileData
> .txt
> 
> The picture of the profile in the first link says it all...  An exact
> match of what Paul's program predicts!!
> 
> Here is the tabular data:
> 
> Section	Voltage 	Voltage+Vdiode	Summation
>   (peak)
> 1		1.48		1.6			1.6
> 2		2		2.12			3.72
> 3		2.38		2.5			6.22
> 4		2.54		2.66			8.88
> 5		2.76		2.88			11.76
> 6		2.7		2.82			14.58
> 7		3		3.12			17.7
> 8		2.8		2.92			20.62
> 9		3.02		3.14			23.76
> 10		2.92		3.04			26.8
> 11		2.88		3			29.8
> 12		2.84		2.96			32.76
> 13		2.8		2.92			35.68
> 14		2.72		2.84			38.52
> 15		2.74		2.86			41.38
> 16		2.66		2.78			44.16
> 17		2.4		2.52			46.68
> 18		2.4		2.52			49.2
> 19		2.3		2.42			51.62
> 20		2.24		2.36			53.98
> 21		2.12		2.24			56.22
> 22		1.98		2.1			58.32
> 23		1.78		1.9			60.22
> 24		1.7		1.82			62.04
> 25		1.64		1.76			63.8
> 26		1.42		1.54			65.34
> 27		1.32		1.44			66.78
> 28		1.06		1.18			67.96
> 29		0.92		1.04			69
> 30		0.6		0.72			69.72
> 
> Enough for now...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  Terry
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Previous post
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------ -------
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Here are the early raw results of the voltage profiling experiment.
> 
> One inch sections of the coil were numbered 1,2,...30 with the base
> section being 1.
> 
> The secondary was scratched at every inch to gain electrical contact.
> 
> The profiler had to be held by a tripod since there was no way it
> could be held by hand.  I had to position it, get away for a moment,
> pull the probe out and take the reading.
> 
> I tested the probe in the forward and reverse directions and the
> reading were the same.
> 
> I retested a single section three times and the reading were extremely
> consistent.
> 
> I had to check continuity with a voltmeter when the probe was place to
> insure the delicate contact was made.  I then shorted the cap to
> insure it was at zero voltage before the reading.  very delicate and
> tedious but fairly tolerable.
> 
> The coil was driven by a <1 ohm Z signal generator but a 49.8 ohm
> surface mount resistor was put inline for current sensing.  Thus, the
> generator had a 50 ohm impedance.
> 
> The frequency was 146.45 kHz. The voltage drop across the resistor was
> 46.5mV ACrms  The generator puts out 0.7071 VACrms, or 1 volt peak, or
> 2 volts P-P.  It is a MAX038 Chip device.  The multimeter is an
> HP34401.  The scope is a Tektronix B210.
> 
> Reading the voltage of the cap with the fancy digital storage scope
> was child's play.  It was consitant and deadly accurate.  At these low
> voltages, the cap should have not drifted at all.
> 
> From the above, The input voltage was 0.6606 VACrms at 0.9337mA at
> 146.45kHz.
> 
> Exciting pictures of the mess can be found at:
> 
> http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/
> 
> At the moment I have tested sections 22 to 30 and the numbers are as
> follows.  Section 30 is the top.
> 
> These numbers need the diode drop added still.  That number seems to
> be 0.12 volts.
> 
> Position 	Peak Voltage (Vdc)
> 
> 30		0.60
> 29		0.92
> 28		1.06
> 27		1.32
> 26		1.42
> 25		1.64
> 24		1.70 1.68 1.68    (Repeated 3 times)
> 23		1.78
> 22		1.98 1.96   (reversed probe)
> 
> At this point it was supper time and my knees started to give out.  If
> there are any bumps around 27,26,25,  those were the very first
> readings and things were "uncontrolled" a bit...
> 
> I have only taken the data and typed it up here so I have not really
> looked thoughtfully at the numbers yet.  I assume they make sense
> (hope hope).  I do note that the steel ruler theory seems to be in
> serious trouble =:o)
> 
> I hope to get the rest of the points tonight if the old body can do
> it. All seems to go very well and the readings seem very good but it
> is hard work!  This is all minutes fresh so forgive any obvious
> errors.
> 
> Comments and suggestions or always welcome.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  Terry
> 



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