From: "Malcolm Watts"
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 09:09:59 +1300
Subject: Re: [TSSP] NSVPI - Latter Results
Hi Terry, Here is something to ponder: On 21 Oct 00, at 21:40, Terrell W. Fritz wrote: > Hi All, > > All the data is in, and my new probe seems to be totally successful!!! > > Some details... > > I found that the windings on my space wound coil are imperfect a bit. > Some sections had more or less turns than others. The windings > loosened during a dry spell once and the winder is not perfect. This > caused a little jumping in the numbers. I was worried that it was the > probe but the numbers repeat extremely well so I blame the windings > not being the exact same number in every section. > > As seen in the photos, the coil is on a rather quickly made ground > plane. It is split so as to avoid the shorted turn effect. > > I measured the Q of my coil using the Q=Fo/BW formula and based that > on the measured RMS input current. The Q was 59.25 (146.34 / > (147.61-145.14)). > > With an input voltage of 0.6606 RMS, I would expect the top voltage to > be: 0.6606 x 1.414 x 59.25 = 55.35 volts. > > The sum I measured is 69.72 volts. Guess what: your sum = 4/PI * 55.35V more-or-less. By an interesting coincidence, VSWR = 4/PI * Q. I Haven't looked at the graphs and pictures yet but I'm guessing there is no topload on that resonator. Regards, Malcolm > Now for the exciting data! > > The profile is pictured at: > http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/TheProfile. > gif > > The excel file is at: > http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/Profiler.xl > s > > The same data in text format is at: > http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/ProfileData > .txt > > The picture of the profile in the first link says it all... An exact > match of what Paul's program predicts!! > > Here is the tabular data: > > Section Voltage Voltage+Vdiode Summation > (peak) > 1 1.48 1.6 1.6 > 2 2 2.12 3.72 > 3 2.38 2.5 6.22 > 4 2.54 2.66 8.88 > 5 2.76 2.88 11.76 > 6 2.7 2.82 14.58 > 7 3 3.12 17.7 > 8 2.8 2.92 20.62 > 9 3.02 3.14 23.76 > 10 2.92 3.04 26.8 > 11 2.88 3 29.8 > 12 2.84 2.96 32.76 > 13 2.8 2.92 35.68 > 14 2.72 2.84 38.52 > 15 2.74 2.86 41.38 > 16 2.66 2.78 44.16 > 17 2.4 2.52 46.68 > 18 2.4 2.52 49.2 > 19 2.3 2.42 51.62 > 20 2.24 2.36 53.98 > 21 2.12 2.24 56.22 > 22 1.98 2.1 58.32 > 23 1.78 1.9 60.22 > 24 1.7 1.82 62.04 > 25 1.64 1.76 63.8 > 26 1.42 1.54 65.34 > 27 1.32 1.44 66.78 > 28 1.06 1.18 67.96 > 29 0.92 1.04 69 > 30 0.6 0.72 69.72 > > Enough for now... > > Cheers, > > Terry > > > > > Previous post > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ ------- > > Hi All, > > Here are the early raw results of the voltage profiling experiment. > > One inch sections of the coil were numbered 1,2,...30 with the base > section being 1. > > The secondary was scratched at every inch to gain electrical contact. > > The profiler had to be held by a tripod since there was no way it > could be held by hand. I had to position it, get away for a moment, > pull the probe out and take the reading. > > I tested the probe in the forward and reverse directions and the > reading were the same. > > I retested a single section three times and the reading were extremely > consistent. > > I had to check continuity with a voltmeter when the probe was place to > insure the delicate contact was made. I then shorted the cap to > insure it was at zero voltage before the reading. very delicate and > tedious but fairly tolerable. > > The coil was driven by a <1 ohm Z signal generator but a 49.8 ohm > surface mount resistor was put inline for current sensing. Thus, the > generator had a 50 ohm impedance. > > The frequency was 146.45 kHz. The voltage drop across the resistor was > 46.5mV ACrms The generator puts out 0.7071 VACrms, or 1 volt peak, or > 2 volts P-P. It is a MAX038 Chip device. The multimeter is an > HP34401. The scope is a Tektronix B210. > > Reading the voltage of the cap with the fancy digital storage scope > was child's play. It was consitant and deadly accurate. At these low > voltages, the cap should have not drifted at all. > > From the above, The input voltage was 0.6606 VACrms at 0.9337mA at > 146.45kHz. > > Exciting pictures of the mess can be found at: > > http://63.225.104.49/TeslaCoils/Misc/PaulNich/ProfilerPics/ > > At the moment I have tested sections 22 to 30 and the numbers are as > follows. Section 30 is the top. > > These numbers need the diode drop added still. That number seems to > be 0.12 volts. > > Position Peak Voltage (Vdc) > > 30 0.60 > 29 0.92 > 28 1.06 > 27 1.32 > 26 1.42 > 25 1.64 > 24 1.70 1.68 1.68 (Repeated 3 times) > 23 1.78 > 22 1.98 1.96 (reversed probe) > > At this point it was supper time and my knees started to give out. If > there are any bumps around 27,26,25, those were the very first > readings and things were "uncontrolled" a bit... > > I have only taken the data and typed it up here so I have not really > looked thoughtfully at the numbers yet. I assume they make sense > (hope hope). I do note that the steel ruler theory seems to be in > serious trouble =:o) > > I hope to get the rest of the points tonight if the old body can do > it. All seems to go very well and the readings seem very good but it > is hard work! This is all minutes fresh so forgive any obvious > errors. > > Comments and suggestions or always welcome. > > Cheers, > > Terry >
Maintainer Paul Nicholson, paul@abelian.demon.co.uk.