From: Paul
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:31:42 +0000
Subject: [TSSP] Bart's flat coil
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------E38243EA9D309BC60258E766 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [This forwarded from Bart] -- Paul Nicholson, -- --------------E38243EA9D309BC60258E766 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path:Received: from finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net (finch-punt-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.36]) by abelian.demon.co.uk (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1P5mAK18913 for ; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 05:48:10 GMT Received: from punt-1.mail.demon.net by mailstore for paul@abelian.demon.co.uk id 1014600232:10:26762:65; Mon, 25 Feb 2002 01:23:52 GMT Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net ([206.13.28.241]) by punt-1.mail.demon.net id ab1108140; 25 Feb 2002 1:23 GMT Received: from pacbell.net ([206.171.173.15]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GS200MHCEIN3D@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for paul@abelian.demon.co.uk; Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:23:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:24:04 +0000 From: "Barton B. Anderson" Subject: [TSSP] Bart's flat coil To: Paul Message-id: <3C7921B3.295D0CCF@pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_JyDqUG4fIXTujgLBb/B4XQ)" X-Accept-Language: en X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 --Boundary_(ID_JyDqUG4fIXTujgLBb/B4XQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi All - Paul has my specs, but thought I should send for all. Paul, Fr has changed due to measurement technique. Let me first describe the setup: Base contains MMC and Gap. 10 inches up is the flat primary coil supported on pvc stand. In the center of the primary is a pvc tube which supports the secondary flat coil. The secondary plane is perfectly horizonatal with the primary's plane. The secondary has a brass threaded rod 12" extending up from the secondary ~11.75" with a 1" solid brass sphere on top. Here are dimensions: All measurements in inches. Secondary Flat Coil: 298 turns 0.0225 total wire diameter (0.0201 bare). 13.9775 outer diameter. 0.625 inner diameter. 13.9 ohms (checked with 2 meters) 11.9 mH Primary: 4.2 turns 14.125 outer diameter 10.25 inner diameter 9.3 uH (via Acmi - meter can't go that low) 0.25 wire size (copper tubing) 0.271 average spacing (edge to edge) MMC measures 25nF. Secondary is 5.125 inches above primary all around. Found the following applying signal to the base of the secondary with primary in position. The scope probe used a 2" strait wire as antenna. Placement was tried a few feet above coil, but noise is horrible. Placing the probe couple feet away and horizontal to the plane of the secondary provided clean enough signals. (values are kHz): 74.1 111.1 146.3 293 Fr 435 (can't sweep to next resonance - out of range) Meter can't read capacitance directly. Using the Fr of 293kHz, C = 24.8pF. If I measure Fr directly connecting the probe to the secondary terminal, I read 330kHz, then C = 19.5pF. For Q = Fr/(Fhi-Flo), I positioned Fr at 5 squares, and adjusted to 3.5 squares above and below Fr. Fhi=296kHz, Flo=286kHz, Fr=293kHz, Q=29.3 (not sure what to make of this). I tried the probe above about 4 feet and get the same. Measured mutual inductance using 2 meters side by side for concentric readings: 10.53A primary current 232mV secondary volts Measured prior to running Acmi: M=58.44, K=0.1749 ACMI says: SCNY.L| SCNY.R| PRMY.L| PRMY.R 12.01 mH| 14.84| 9.30 uH| 0.00 SCNY-PRMY.M|SCNY-PRMY.K 59.00 uH| 0.1765 Thats all for now. Acmi input file is below. Take care, Bart ; Bart Anderson's Flat Spiral Secondary. units inches secondary { radius1 0.3125 ; Inner turn radius radius2 6.98875 ; Outer turn radius height1 0.0 ; leave at 0 for flat coil height2 0.0 ; leave at 0 for flat coil conductor 0.01005 ; bare wire radius turns 298 ; number of turns } primary { radius1 5.125 ; inner radius radius2 7.0632 ; outer radius height1 -5.125 ; inner turn height height2 -5.125 ; outer turn height conductor 0.125 ; bare wire radius turns 4.2 ; number of turns } --Boundary_(ID_JyDqUG4fIXTujgLBb/B4XQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi All - Paul has my specs, but thought I should send for all. Paul, Fr has changed due to measurement technique.
Let me first describe the setup:
Base contains MMC and Gap. 10 inches up is the flat primary coil supported on pvc stand. In the center of the primary is a pvc tube which supports the secondary flat coil. The secondary plane is perfectly horizonatal with the
primary's plane. The secondary has a brass threaded rod 12" extending up
from the secondary ~11.75" with a 1" solid brass sphere on top.Here are dimensions:
All measurements in inches.Secondary Flat Coil:
298 turns
0.0225 total wire diameter (0.0201 bare).
13.9775 outer diameter.
0.625 inner diameter.
13.9 ohms (checked with 2 meters)
11.9 mHPrimary:
4.2 turns
14.125 outer diameter
10.25 inner diameter
9.3 uH (via Acmi - meter can't go that low)
0.25 wire size (copper tubing)
0.271 average spacing (edge to edge)MMC measures 25nF.
Secondary is 5.125 inches above primary all around.
Found the following applying signal to the base of the secondary with primary in position. The scope probe used a 2" strait wire as antenna. Placement was tried a few feet above coil, but noise is horrible. Placing the probe couple feet away and horizontal to the plane of the secondary provided clean enough signals.
(values are kHz):
74.1
111.1
146.3
293 Fr
435 (can't sweep to next resonance - out of range)Meter can't read capacitance directly. Using the Fr of 293kHz, C = 24.8pF.
If I measure Fr directly connecting the probe to the secondary terminal, I read 330kHz, then C = 19.5pF.For Q = Fr/(Fhi-Flo), I positioned Fr at 5 squares, and adjusted to 3.5 squares above and below Fr.
Fhi=296kHz, Flo=286kHz, Fr=293kHz, Q=29.3 (not sure what to make of this). I tried the probe above about 4 feet and get the same.Measured mutual inductance using 2 meters side by side for concentric
readings:
10.53A primary current
232mV secondary volts
Measured prior to running Acmi: M=58.44, K=0.1749ACMI says:
SCNY.L| SCNY.R| PRMY.L| PRMY.R
12.01 mH| 14.84| 9.30 uH| 0.00
SCNY-PRMY.M|SCNY-PRMY.K
59.00 uH| 0.1765Thats all for now. Acmi input file is below.
Take care,
Bart; Bart Anderson's Flat Spiral Secondary.
units inches
secondary {radius1 0.3125 ; Inner turn radius
radius2 6.98875 ; Outer turn radiusheight1 0.0 ; leave at 0 for flat coil
height2 0.0 ; leave at 0 for flat coilconductor 0.01005 ; bare wire radius
turns 298 ; number of turns
}primary {
radius1 5.125 ; inner radius
radius2 7.0632 ; outer radiusheight1 -5.125 ; inner turn height
height2 -5.125 ; outer turn heightconductor 0.125 ; bare wire radius
turns 4.2 ; number of turns
} --Boundary_(ID_JyDqUG4fIXTujgLBb/B4XQ)-- --------------E38243EA9D309BC60258E766--
Maintainer Paul Nicholson, paul@abelian.demon.co.uk.