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From: Paul
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:12:50 +0100
Subject: Re: [TSSP] Topload breakout potentials

Bart, can you clarify the ID of the primary?  You gave the
first measurement as

> Turn      O.D.   LuH
> 1      11.375      3

so I guess the start of that first turn is about 10.5/2" radius
from the center of the coil.  If I use this value then your
measured inductances compare well with acmi.

>  I adjusted coupling tonight by raising the primary...So, the
> sec is about 0.1875" above primary center plane.

> Corona ring dimensions ended up at 4" x 14.875" and a nice fit.
> The top 1/3 of the corona ring was actually inside the toroid
> and the corona ring bottom plane was 1.375"

So that's a second toroid then, the 4" x 14.875" ?

John wrote:
> I think that in all cases of streamer breakout that I've seen,
> the streamers *do* space themselves as far away from each
> other as possible.

Bart wrote:
> I'll second John's observations.

Malcolm wrote:
> ...just what I've observed in action

Well that suggests to me that space charge is definately big
enough to significantly affect the surface fields on the topload.

Boris wrote:
> As I said ,further progress in software should be
> expected in lines where software uses experimental
> data more than checking them out.

Absolutely agree.  I think we should try to solve the problem
of getting an accurate scope trace from the topvolts.  That
will allow us to make some empirical conclusions about the
breakout dynamics which can then be fed back into the model
software.

I don't see much hope of us using theory to bypass or predict
those topvolts measurements.  Even if quantitative theories of
streamer formation dynamics exists in the literature, it's
highly unlikely that we could apply it in any meaningful way -
it would be just too difficult and complicated I think.

There are some things we can do though.  For example I could
put together a program to calculate the effect on the topload
surface field of a given pattern of streamers, given some
assumption about the C or Q per unit length.

Boris wrote:
> about corona formative time lags I'm not sure at all.

Me neither, but it does offer an explanation for some effects,
especially in conjunction with considerations of space charge.
For example, if the first streamer forms too slowly compared with
the risetime of the topvolts, it might not develop space charge
quickly enough to prevent further streamers forming elsewhere,
whereas a slower rising topvolts, given sufficient charge
reservoir, might be able to form a single long streamer quickly
enough to completely suppress further streamers.
--
Paul Nicholson,
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Maintainer Paul Nicholson, paul@abelian.demon.co.uk.