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From: "Terrell W. Fritz"
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 17:31:04 -0600
Subject: Re: [TSSP] Top Voltage

Hi All,

I hooked up the OLTC with the Pearson current probe measuring secondary
base current and the TEKP5202 differential probe looking across the primary
caps.  The new differential probe was costly at $550 (factory refurbished
and caled sales demo) but I really like it!!!  It makes checking things on
my OLTC so easy!!

First, I confirmed that when the coil does breakout, it is indeed at the
medium size sphere on the top and nowhere else.  It is...

I found that the coil does not discharge completely with a 53uS dwell:

http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-01.gif

The top yellow wave form is base current but the detail is lost here with
such a long time scale.  But the bottom primary cap voltage shows that the
coil is going from about 300 Volts to 200 volts.  If I expand the time
scale we see:

http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-02.gif

The yellow base current scale is accurate BTW...   So it looks like this
1Hz single shot mode and the 52uS dwell don't really match well.  So I
turned the dwell knob to 500uS to really drain the system:

http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-03.gif

First I was stunned at how many primary to secondary notches I was
getting!!  Note - need to check Q again...  Now more energy should be
getting to the top terminal and all.  However, the breakouts were just as
rare!!  Nothing really seems to have changed as far as breakout
"quality"...  300Volts firing voltage and 3 amps peak secondary base
current....

I must wonder if the odd things we see are well known.  I used to work on
340kV power lines (60HZ) that were about 1 inch in diameter...  I never saw
any "breakout" from them....????  Hmmmm,  There must be some great truth
there we are missing!!!   That always confused me and I never found the
answer to that one over the years...


Realizing that this was getting complex.  I tried something else...  I
tested the Q of the coil at 100,150, 200, 250, and 300 firing volts.  The
scope pictures of each range are at:

http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-04.gif
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-05.gif
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-06.gif
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-07.gif
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-08.gif

I was fine adjusting the yellow (secondary base current) to get a good
signal for TCMA thus the odd volts per division numbers.  The blue is the
primary cap voltage.  The cheap meter and the TEKP5202 disagreed a little
on the primary cap voltage.  The cheap meter also kept locking up...  I
used the cheap meter readings here but I bet the TEK probe was far more
accurate...

TCMA may have been a little confused due to the problem Paul mentioned
earlier.  It has some trouble finding all the modes but here are the results:

100 Firing Volts

PK  FREQ kHz (Error +/-)    Q FACTOR (Error +/-)   LEVEL
 1   37.154 (0.01%,4Hz)       93.74 (0.99%, 0.9)  0.0dB
 2  113.836 (0.01%,13Hz)      44.40 (13.28%, 5.9) -26.6dB
 3  171.901 (0.01%,20Hz)      36.22 (13.28%, 4.8) -30.0dB
 4  225.143 (0.01%,26Hz)      49.17 (26.56%,13.1) -30.8dB
 5  225.553 (0.01%,26Hz)      44.42 (26.56%,11.8) -30.5dB
 
 
 150 Firing volts
 
 PK  FREQ kHz (Error +/-)    Q FACTOR (Error +/-)   LEVEL
 1   37.162 (0.01%,4Hz)       92.77 (1.17%, 1.1)  0.0dB
 2  113.880 (0.01%,13Hz)      42.82 (15.79%, 6.8) -26.8dB
 3  171.564 (0.01%,20Hz)      34.94 (13.28%, 4.6) -30.7dB
 4   74.005 (0.01%,9Hz)     2000.00 (100.00%,2000.0) -47.5dB
 5  225.570 (0.01%,26Hz)      44.69 (22.33%,10.0) -31.1dB
 6  225.585 (0.01%,26Hz)      44.61 (22.33%,10.0) -31.0dB
 
 
 200 Firing Volts
 
 PK  FREQ kHz (Error +/-)    Q FACTOR (Error +/-)   LEVEL
 1   37.160 (0.01%,4Hz)       92.13 (1.17%, 1.1)  0.0dB
 2  113.870 (0.01%,13Hz)      41.07 (18.78%, 7.7) -27.0dB
 3   73.862 (0.01%,8Hz)     2000.00 (100.00%,2000.0) -47.7dB
 4  225.661 (0.01%,26Hz)      44.18 (26.56%,11.7) -31.6dB
 5  225.681 (0.01%,26Hz)      44.15 (26.56%,11.7) -31.5dB
 6  171.720 (0.01%,19Hz)      30.68 (18.78%, 5.8) -31.0dB
 
 
 250 firing volts
 
 PK  FREQ kHz (Error +/-)    Q FACTOR (Error +/-)   LEVEL
 1   37.160 (0.01%,4Hz)       91.03 (1.17%, 1.1)  0.0dB
 2  113.907 (0.01%,13Hz)      39.86 (18.78%, 7.5) -26.9dB
 
 
 300 Firing Volts
 
 PK  FREQ kHz (Error +/-)    Q FACTOR (Error +/-)   LEVEL
 1   37.158 (0.01%,4Hz)       89.92 (1.40%, 1.3)  0.0dB
 2  113.963 (0.01%,13Hz)      40.46 (15.79%, 6.4) -25.9dB
 
 
The CSV files for each are at:

http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-01.CSV
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-02.CSV
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-03.CSV
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-04.CSV
http://hot-streamer.com/temp/OLTC10-12-05.CSV

Of course, the running Q now is about 94 :-))))  I have no idea why....  At
250 volts I (the scope) took 64 readings and there were 4 breakouts.  At
300 volts there were 6 breakouts.  I did note that the breakouts seem to
occur soon after the coil was turned on and then stopped.  After the 300
volt run, I "wandered" around in there feeling the coil and surroundings
for residual charge.  I could detect nothing. I am not a sensitive
electrometer or anything, but I sure didn't feel any hair standing on edge
stuff...

So, probably more questions than answers here ;-)))

Cheers,

	Terry





Maintainer Paul Nicholson, paul@abelian.demon.co.uk.